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		<title>By: tweety</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/12/debunking-myths-about-shias-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-6308</link>
		<dc:creator>tweety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allah pasand nahi karta hai waaye  matam ko siwaye uss k liye jo mazloom ho....ref sur e nisa 148tafseer ibn e kaseer vol 2 pg 820, sahi bukharee vol 2 pg 820.
phr un ki zauja sara dukh mie aagay barhee aur apnay moun pe tamacha mara. ref sura al dehriat 29
hazrat adam ny apni tang py itna matam kiya k unki haddi nazar aanay lagi ref mairaj un nabuwa chap 1 pg 248
museebat mei apna sir peetna hazrat yusuf ki sunnat hai ref tafseer e kabeer vol 5  pg 158
RASOOL NY SEENA KOBI(MATAM)KIYA REF SAHEE BUKHARI VOL 2 PG 50</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allah pasand nahi karta hai waaye  matam ko siwaye uss k liye jo mazloom ho&#8230;.ref sur e nisa 148tafseer ibn e kaseer vol 2 pg 820, sahi bukharee vol 2 pg 820.<br />
phr un ki zauja sara dukh mie aagay barhee aur apnay moun pe tamacha mara. ref sura al dehriat 29<br />
hazrat adam ny apni tang py itna matam kiya k unki haddi nazar aanay lagi ref mairaj un nabuwa chap 1 pg 248<br />
museebat mei apna sir peetna hazrat yusuf ki sunnat hai ref tafseer e kabeer vol 5  pg 158<br />
RASOOL NY SEENA KOBI(MATAM)KIYA REF SAHEE BUKHARI VOL 2 PG 50</p>
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		<title>By: TAYYAB BALAGAMWALA</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/12/debunking-myths-about-shias-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3667</link>
		<dc:creator>TAYYAB BALAGAMWALA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIK HEE SAF MAIN KHARE HO GAYE MEHMOOD O AYAZ... NA KOI BANDA RAHA NA KOI BANDA NAWAZ... when we are doing the same rukoo, the same sajda and praying to same Allah why divide oruselves into sects...

personally i think 90% of us speaking here are not qualified to discuss relgiion as we havent studied the meaning of the Quran, the Hadith or other islamic works.. if u were a lwyer, you are qualified to speak if u have read the legal doctrine and law .. similarly, if u wanna speak on religion, then study the source documents first..

its very easy to divide and very difficult to unite.. let us unite rather tahn divide as there are thousand and one enemies of islam anyways so why should we be our own enemies!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIK HEE SAF MAIN KHARE HO GAYE MEHMOOD O AYAZ&#8230; NA KOI BANDA RAHA NA KOI BANDA NAWAZ&#8230; when we are doing the same rukoo, the same sajda and praying to same Allah why divide oruselves into sects&#8230;</p>
<p>personally i think 90% of us speaking here are not qualified to discuss relgiion as we havent studied the meaning of the Quran, the Hadith or other islamic works.. if u were a lwyer, you are qualified to speak if u have read the legal doctrine and law .. similarly, if u wanna speak on religion, then study the source documents first..</p>
<p>its very easy to divide and very difficult to unite.. let us unite rather tahn divide as there are thousand and one enemies of islam anyways so why should we be our own enemies!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ehsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ehsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also had another question dont you think matam is wrong when a mother was crying and beating herself and cursing after her son had died Prophet Muhammad SAW asked her to be patient but she said how could you know you have never lost a son ! and when she got to know that was the holy Prophet Muhammad SAW she said she was sorry and she didn&#039;t know and she will be patient but then the Holy Prophet said the time of patience has passed so if Prophet Muhammad SAW didnt do matam or anything like that on the death why do shias do matam if the holy prophet didnt do it or didnt advise such a thing to be done and forbid anything minutely similar !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also had another question dont you think matam is wrong when a mother was crying and beating herself and cursing after her son had died Prophet Muhammad SAW asked her to be patient but she said how could you know you have never lost a son ! and when she got to know that was the holy Prophet Muhammad SAW she said she was sorry and she didn&#8217;t know and she will be patient but then the Holy Prophet said the time of patience has passed so if Prophet Muhammad SAW didnt do matam or anything like that on the death why do shias do matam if the holy prophet didnt do it or didnt advise such a thing to be done and forbid anything minutely similar !</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices بالعربية &#187; باكستان: تفنيد الخرافات المتعلقة بالشيعة</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices بالعربية &#187; باكستان: تفنيد الخرافات المتعلقة بالشيعة</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] أطلق المدون فيصل كباديا والذي يدون في Deadpan Thoughts سلسلة من المقالات بالإنكليزية لتفنيد هذه [...]</description>
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		<title>By: newb3e</title>
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		<dc:creator>newb3e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shias most authentic Book (according to shias themselves) says Quran is incomplete.

But what about Sahabas why do Shias curse HAzrat Abu Bakar,Omer And Usman.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shias most authentic Book (according to shias themselves) says Quran is incomplete.</p>
<p>But what about Sahabas why do Shias curse HAzrat Abu Bakar,Omer And Usman.?</p>
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		<title>By: Sakib Ahmad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sakib Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry but all this does seem to be quite futile. Do you not find it strange that the ahadith and accounts of the &#039;history of early Islam&#039; began making their appearance some 250 years after Allah&#039;s Messenger, Muhammad Mustafa, had moved out of his physical body? And those histories and anecdotes were penned mostly by converts from Zoroastrian families in the defeated Persian empire. 

Were the Arabs themselves incapable of leaving written records for 250 years? Or, was there a conspiracy to destroy what existed and to replace it with stuff that the people who wielded power thought worth propagating?

What we have today is a weird religion which makes little sense and which divides the Muslim ummah into dozens of sects. This cannot be Islam, an immutable Deen which was followed by all prophets, according to Al-Qur&#039;an. We need to do away with sunni-ism, shia-ism, etc., not perpetuate them. 

The very post that I put up when I began my blog two months ago was &quot;Islam: back to basics.&quot; Here is the link in case anyone feels inclined to read it: http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry but all this does seem to be quite futile. Do you not find it strange that the ahadith and accounts of the &#8216;history of early Islam&#8217; began making their appearance some 250 years after Allah&#8217;s Messenger, Muhammad Mustafa, had moved out of his physical body? And those histories and anecdotes were penned mostly by converts from Zoroastrian families in the defeated Persian empire. </p>
<p>Were the Arabs themselves incapable of leaving written records for 250 years? Or, was there a conspiracy to destroy what existed and to replace it with stuff that the people who wielded power thought worth propagating?</p>
<p>What we have today is a weird religion which makes little sense and which divides the Muslim ummah into dozens of sects. This cannot be Islam, an immutable Deen which was followed by all prophets, according to Al-Qur&#8217;an. We need to do away with sunni-ism, shia-ism, etc., not perpetuate them. </p>
<p>The very post that I put up when I began my blog two months ago was &#8220;Islam: back to basics.&#8221; Here is the link in case anyone feels inclined to read it: <a href="http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam.html" rel="nofollow">http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rabab khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabab khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add that a number of Ahadith in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim that point at the incompleteness of the Holy Quran. Fortunately, the Shias have never used this as ammunition to attack Sunnis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add that a number of Ahadith in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim that point at the incompleteness of the Holy Quran. Fortunately, the Shias have never used this as ammunition to attack Sunnis.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabab khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabab khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to answer a question that an earlier comment asked. The Quran and Shia belief about it. I would like to quote:

&quot;It is our belief that the Qur&#039;an which Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad (s)  is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn). And it is that which is in the hands of the people, and is not greater in extent than that… And he who asserts that we say that it is greater in extent than this (the present text) is a liar.&quot; 

[As-Saduq, Kitabu&#039;l-I`tiqadat (Tehran: 1370 AH) p. 63; English translation, The Shi&#039;ite Creed, tr. A.A.A. Fyzee (Calcutta: 1942) p. 85]

&quot;All great Twelver Shi&#039;ah scholars from the earliest period to the present century have believed in the complete preservation of the Qur&#039;an.  Some famous early Shi&#039;ah scholars who have clearly stated this belief in their books include:
	Shaykh al-Saduq (d. 381 AH), Kitabu&#039;l-Itiqadat, (Tehran, 1370) p. 63.
	Shaykh al-Mufid (d. 413 AH), Awa&#039;ilu l-Maqalat, pp. 55-6;
	Sharif al-Murtada (d. 436 AH), Bahru &#039;l-Fawa&#039;id (Tehran, 1314) p. 69; 
	Shaykh at-Tusi (d. 460 AH), Tafsir at-Tibyan, (Najaf, 1376), vol 1 p. 3; 
	Shaykh at-Tabrasi (d. 548), Majma&#039;u &#039;l-Bayan, (Lebanon), vol. 1 p. 15.
Some of the later scholars who spelt out the same views include:
	Muhammad Muhsin al-Fayd al-Kashani (d. 1019 AH), Al-Wafi, vol. 1 pp. 273-4, and al-&#039;Asfa fi Tafsir al-Qur&#039;an, p. 348;
	Muhammad Baqir al-Majlisi (d. 1111 AH), Bihar al-&#039;Anwar, vol. 89 p. 75

This belief has continued uninterrupted upto the present time. Shi&#039;ah scholars of this century who have reiterated the belief that the Qur&#039;an is completely protected and unchanged include such famous names as Sayyid Muhsin al-Amin al-&#039;Amili (d. 1371 AH); Sayyid Sharaf al-Din al-Musawi (d. 1377 AH.); Shaykh Muhammad Husayn Kashif al-Ghita&#039; (d. 1373 AH); Sayyid Muhsin al-Hakim (d. 1390 AH); &#039;Allamah al-Tabataba&#039;i (d. 1402 AH); Sayyid Ruhullah al-Khumayni (d. 1409 AH); Sayyid Abu al-Qasim al-Khu&#039;i (d. 1413 AH) and Sayyid Muhammad Rida al-Gulpaygani (d. 1414 AH).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to answer a question that an earlier comment asked. The Quran and Shia belief about it. I would like to quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is our belief that the Qur&#8217;an which Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad (s)  is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn). And it is that which is in the hands of the people, and is not greater in extent than that… And he who asserts that we say that it is greater in extent than this (the present text) is a liar.&#8221; </p>
<p>[As-Saduq, Kitabu'l-I`tiqadat (Tehran: 1370 AH) p. 63; English translation, The Shi'ite Creed, tr. A.A.A. Fyzee (Calcutta: 1942) p. 85]</p>
<p>&#8220;All great Twelver Shi&#8217;ah scholars from the earliest period to the present century have believed in the complete preservation of the Qur&#8217;an.  Some famous early Shi&#8217;ah scholars who have clearly stated this belief in their books include:<br />
	Shaykh al-Saduq (d. 381 AH), Kitabu&#8217;l-Itiqadat, (Tehran, 1370) p. 63.<br />
	Shaykh al-Mufid (d. 413 AH), Awa&#8217;ilu l-Maqalat, pp. 55-6;<br />
	Sharif al-Murtada (d. 436 AH), Bahru &#8216;l-Fawa&#8217;id (Tehran, 1314) p. 69;<br />
	Shaykh at-Tusi (d. 460 AH), Tafsir at-Tibyan, (Najaf, 1376), vol 1 p. 3;<br />
	Shaykh at-Tabrasi (d. 548), Majma&#8217;u &#8216;l-Bayan, (Lebanon), vol. 1 p. 15.<br />
Some of the later scholars who spelt out the same views include:<br />
	Muhammad Muhsin al-Fayd al-Kashani (d. 1019 AH), Al-Wafi, vol. 1 pp. 273-4, and al-&#8217;Asfa fi Tafsir al-Qur&#8217;an, p. 348;<br />
	Muhammad Baqir al-Majlisi (d. 1111 AH), Bihar al-&#8217;Anwar, vol. 89 p. 75</p>
<p>This belief has continued uninterrupted upto the present time. Shi&#8217;ah scholars of this century who have reiterated the belief that the Qur&#8217;an is completely protected and unchanged include such famous names as Sayyid Muhsin al-Amin al-&#8217;Amili (d. 1371 AH); Sayyid Sharaf al-Din al-Musawi (d. 1377 AH.); Shaykh Muhammad Husayn Kashif al-Ghita&#8217; (d. 1373 AH); Sayyid Muhsin al-Hakim (d. 1390 AH); &#8216;Allamah al-Tabataba&#8217;i (d. 1402 AH); Sayyid Ruhullah al-Khumayni (d. 1409 AH); Sayyid Abu al-Qasim al-Khu&#8217;i (d. 1413 AH) and Sayyid Muhammad Rida al-Gulpaygani (d. 1414 AH).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rabab khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabab khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brave and much needed initiative. Well done. There is too much hate in this world to keep adding to it with our self righteous behaviour.

I am glad you began this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brave and much needed initiative. Well done. There is too much hate in this world to keep adding to it with our self righteous behaviour.</p>
<p>I am glad you began this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Historyscoper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historyscoper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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