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		<title>By: Pakistani blogger</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/07/halal-tube-arrives/comment-page-1/#comment-2686</link>
		<dc:creator>Pakistani blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t realize what assimilate means do you? Maybe you were looking for the word integrate. Assimilate means to loose your entire identity and become indistinguishable from the rest of whatever group your joining. Basically that means you become a non-muslim. Integrate on the other hand means you maintain your own identity and religion but become part of the society at large. 

Your wrong about Muslims not integrating in non-muslim societies. I grew up in Sri Lanka where there is a significant Muslim minority that is well integrated with the rest of SL society. In fact they are so integrated that they enjoy a disproportionately higher share of the national income! It is only because they maintain good relations with the majority and other minority communities that they&#039;ve managed to do so well.

Also what is wrong with having your own halal products? Aren&#039;t there entire industries that cater to the religious requirements of non-muslims? Yes there are! So why are you so against businesses that cater to needs of Muslims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t realize what assimilate means do you? Maybe you were looking for the word integrate. Assimilate means to loose your entire identity and become indistinguishable from the rest of whatever group your joining. Basically that means you become a non-muslim. Integrate on the other hand means you maintain your own identity and religion but become part of the society at large. </p>
<p>Your wrong about Muslims not integrating in non-muslim societies. I grew up in Sri Lanka where there is a significant Muslim minority that is well integrated with the rest of SL society. In fact they are so integrated that they enjoy a disproportionately higher share of the national income! It is only because they maintain good relations with the majority and other minority communities that they&#8217;ve managed to do so well.</p>
<p>Also what is wrong with having your own halal products? Aren&#8217;t there entire industries that cater to the religious requirements of non-muslims? Yes there are! So why are you so against businesses that cater to needs of Muslims?</p>
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		<title>By: Aly B</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/07/halal-tube-arrives/comment-page-1/#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>Aly B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Luke Sky Walker
Just by seeing those links I can guess I know you. :)

While there is such a thing as banking in a halal way, unfortunately we have now tried to fit conventional finance into a Halal skin and marketed everythign and anything as Islamic Finance.

Usury is a clear cut no no in Islam but just because you package a bottle of wine in Tetrapak it doesnt become Halal.

However, you turn the wine into vinegar and keep it in the wine bottle it is Halal.


OK I am rambling. Fact of matter that Usury is bad. And all that is claimed to be Halal is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Luke Sky Walker<br />
Just by seeing those links I can guess I know you. <img src='http://deadpanthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>While there is such a thing as banking in a halal way, unfortunately we have now tried to fit conventional finance into a Halal skin and marketed everythign and anything as Islamic Finance.</p>
<p>Usury is a clear cut no no in Islam but just because you package a bottle of wine in Tetrapak it doesnt become Halal.</p>
<p>However, you turn the wine into vinegar and keep it in the wine bottle it is Halal.</p>
<p>OK I am rambling. Fact of matter that Usury is bad. And all that is claimed to be Halal is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Pakistan: On Halal Tube &#124; Global Voices Online</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/07/halal-tube-arrives/comment-page-1/#comment-2297</link>
		<dc:creator>Pakistan: On Halal Tube &#124; Global Voices Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on July 7, 2009 &#150; 6:25 pmNo Comment                Pakistani Blog Deadpan Thoughts comments on Halal Tube: &#8220;The stylish chapter in the non orthodox knowledge of our belief is Halal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on July 7, 2009 &#8211; 6:25 pmNo Comment                Pakistani Blog Deadpan Thoughts comments on Halal Tube: &#8220;The stylish chapter in the non orthodox knowledge of our belief is Halal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Sky Walker</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/07/halal-tube-arrives/comment-page-1/#comment-2296</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Sky Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Faisal,

If there is a buyer/seller market for Halal products and services, then let there be light. If I like eating Kappooras in my Kat-a-Kat then please let me enjoy my Kappoora Kat-a-Kat. However if you know that my Kat-a-Kat provider is using dog&#039;s bollocks then please do let me know. I am open to eating goat&#039;s bollocks, but dog! I just say no.

I notice that you also picked up on the Islamic Finance mushrooms that are growing like a fungus in dung. From my analysis of this plant specimen, most Islamic Finance is fungus pretending to be an orchid

OK let’s cut to the chase. Here is some material that lets people analyse the Islamic Banking circus from the Dark Side of the Moon. Please process this material and spread it so that the Orchid triumphs over the Fungus.

http://www.islamic-finance.com/item18_f.htm

http://www.iiu.edu.my/enmjournal/152art2.pdf

http://www.al-inaam.com/Books/riba_in_new_getup.pdf

http://zakat.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/fatwaonbanking.pdf

May the force be with you!

PS Fungi on Pizza with Black Olives rock!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Faisal,</p>
<p>If there is a buyer/seller market for Halal products and services, then let there be light. If I like eating Kappooras in my Kat-a-Kat then please let me enjoy my Kappoora Kat-a-Kat. However if you know that my Kat-a-Kat provider is using dog&#8217;s bollocks then please do let me know. I am open to eating goat&#8217;s bollocks, but dog! I just say no.</p>
<p>I notice that you also picked up on the Islamic Finance mushrooms that are growing like a fungus in dung. From my analysis of this plant specimen, most Islamic Finance is fungus pretending to be an orchid</p>
<p>OK let’s cut to the chase. Here is some material that lets people analyse the Islamic Banking circus from the Dark Side of the Moon. Please process this material and spread it so that the Orchid triumphs over the Fungus.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.islamic-finance.com/item18_f.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.islamic-finance.com/item18_f.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.iiu.edu.my/enmjournal/152art2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.iiu.edu.my/enmjournal/152art2.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.al-inaam.com/Books/riba_in_new_getup.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.al-inaam.com/Books/riba_in_new_getup.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://zakat.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/fatwaonbanking.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://zakat.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/fatwaonbanking.pdf</a></p>
<p>May the force be with you!</p>
<p>PS Fungi on Pizza with Black Olives rock!</p>
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		<title>By: Faisal.K</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/07/halal-tube-arrives/comment-page-1/#comment-2294</link>
		<dc:creator>Faisal.K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u got it SM it is JJ i am talking bout :P lol.. who gives a toss bout stevens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u got it SM it is JJ i am talking bout <img src='http://deadpanthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  lol.. who gives a toss bout stevens</p>
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		<title>By: shaheryar mirza</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/07/halal-tube-arrives/comment-page-1/#comment-2291</link>
		<dc:creator>shaheryar mirza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece. I agree. While they may not naturally be implying that youtube is haram, implying that their &quot;tube&quot; is halal is just plain strange. Islamic society does tend to be isolationist and exclusionary when that goes against the principles of a pluralistic society as prescribed in Islam.   

Mr.mirza- I am assuming that his reference to former rockstars was more towards the likes of junaid jamshed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece. I agree. While they may not naturally be implying that youtube is haram, implying that their &#8220;tube&#8221; is halal is just plain strange. Islamic society does tend to be isolationist and exclusionary when that goes against the principles of a pluralistic society as prescribed in Islam.   </p>
<p>Mr.mirza- I am assuming that his reference to former rockstars was more towards the likes of junaid jamshed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahmood Mirza</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/07/halal-tube-arrives/comment-page-1/#comment-2290</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmood Mirza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Faisal,

I think you&#039;re being a little harsh on HalalTube. You&#039;re reading into the name for no reason. It&#039;s a team of Muslims who are making it easier to find great lectures by Islamic scholars. Read the &quot;About&quot; section &gt;&gt; http://www.halaltube.com/about. 

It&#039;s a valid niche and there&#039;s immense need and scope for technology as an enabler and organizer of vast masses of information. I can&#039;t see a thing wrong with it. Also I&#039;ve browsed through the site (very basic) and they don&#039;t indicate any bias or dislike of YouTube which remains the most visited source of Islamic video content on the web. Of course there&#039;s an element of isolationism in all societies and communities but definitely not in this case. 

And is your reference of &quot;former rockstars with beards&quot; directed towards Cat Stevens? Why do men these days have a problem with hair? Let their be hair! :)

All the best - and keep writing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Faisal,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re being a little harsh on HalalTube. You&#8217;re reading into the name for no reason. It&#8217;s a team of Muslims who are making it easier to find great lectures by Islamic scholars. Read the &#8220;About&#8221; section &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.halaltube.com/about" rel="nofollow">http://www.halaltube.com/about</a>. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a valid niche and there&#8217;s immense need and scope for technology as an enabler and organizer of vast masses of information. I can&#8217;t see a thing wrong with it. Also I&#8217;ve browsed through the site (very basic) and they don&#8217;t indicate any bias or dislike of YouTube which remains the most visited source of Islamic video content on the web. Of course there&#8217;s an element of isolationism in all societies and communities but definitely not in this case. </p>
<p>And is your reference of &#8220;former rockstars with beards&#8221; directed towards Cat Stevens? Why do men these days have a problem with hair? Let their be hair! <img src='http://deadpanthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All the best &#8211; and keep writing!</p>
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