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		<title>By: Khizzer</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/04/ye-islam-nahi-hay/comment-page-1/#comment-4716</link>
		<dc:creator>Khizzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 10:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is insane. Everything in Islam, near this person seems to be limited to Prophets time. Lets leave the Quran and Sunnah till back then too? heck, lets leave the other basic articles of faith to the time of the Prophet too.
And how is it that some things are limited to companions time only. Shouldnt it just be generally applicable to everyone after the Prophets time. Or do you really reduce the scope of Islam for every followig generation?
While I totally agree that questioning is necessary. and it is only through inquiry that you understand. I certainly disagree with limiting a lot of aspects (some not even discussed here) Mr. KZ limits.
Wahhabism is an extreme form of Islam. There were everlasting principles introduced by the Prophet, there was an interpretation he did from which principles were evident. We need to use them, and apply them on modern day and age. Non of them must, or can be reduced. And non of them portray a limiting aspect in Islam.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is insane. Everything in Islam, near this person seems to be limited to Prophets time. Lets leave the Quran and Sunnah till back then too? heck, lets leave the other basic articles of faith to the time of the Prophet too.<br />
And how is it that some things are limited to companions time only. Shouldnt it just be generally applicable to everyone after the Prophets time. Or do you really reduce the scope of Islam for every followig generation?<br />
While I totally agree that questioning is necessary. and it is only through inquiry that you understand. I certainly disagree with limiting a lot of aspects (some not even discussed here) Mr. KZ limits.<br />
Wahhabism is an extreme form of Islam. There were everlasting principles introduced by the Prophet, there was an interpretation he did from which principles were evident. We need to use them, and apply them on modern day and age. Non of them must, or can be reduced. And non of them portray a limiting aspect in Islam.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirza Abeer</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/04/ye-islam-nahi-hay/comment-page-1/#comment-2893</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirza Abeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@J. Kactuz
        You are a wonderful example of someone who reads something then because he thinks he fully understood what was written he can now slander it.

1. The prophet Muhammad PBUH explained what mischief meant. That is why he was sent by Allah to clarify and explain because ppl such as yourself will pervert the meanings and interpret the Quran according to their intelect.

2. The wives of the Prophet were told to cover up but were never confined. Maybe by &#039;well known&#039; u mean well known from incorrect sources. There are true accounts of the the prophet when he ran two races against his wife Aisha R.A one of which he won. You obviously just picked up the first incorrect thing you read and did not verify it. Because why are then in Islam women allowed to work?????????? Indeed the last prophet is the best example for us.

3. I still cannot believe how you believe you understand everything without researching. The ayats you mentioned about muslims being attacked were not muslims but hypocrytes who built a mosque for the sole purpose of planning against Islam in it. And about attacking Non-Muslims i do beleive sir you have never read the history of our world. What about the christian crusades?? War and humanity are constant companions and Muslims and Non-muslims cannot and will not live together in peace as is evident these days and the prophet knew that ergo the wars. Christianity also has similar lines of text in the bible Romans 13:1-4. Oh and i wonder why there are no muslims in the Vatican?

Oh and the questioning bit. That was Allah advising the believers to not ask about every single thing because he will answer and you will have no choice but to follow. The people of a previous prophet did that when they were told to sacrifice a cow and in the end they were told to sacrifice a specific type,color,age and built of cow because they kept asking questions about it. 

Oh yes, Ask questions about Islam because you understand only by asking. Even a 3 year old knows that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@J. Kactuz<br />
        You are a wonderful example of someone who reads something then because he thinks he fully understood what was written he can now slander it.</p>
<p>1. The prophet Muhammad PBUH explained what mischief meant. That is why he was sent by Allah to clarify and explain because ppl such as yourself will pervert the meanings and interpret the Quran according to their intelect.</p>
<p>2. The wives of the Prophet were told to cover up but were never confined. Maybe by &#8216;well known&#8217; u mean well known from incorrect sources. There are true accounts of the the prophet when he ran two races against his wife Aisha R.A one of which he won. You obviously just picked up the first incorrect thing you read and did not verify it. Because why are then in Islam women allowed to work?????????? Indeed the last prophet is the best example for us.</p>
<p>3. I still cannot believe how you believe you understand everything without researching. The ayats you mentioned about muslims being attacked were not muslims but hypocrytes who built a mosque for the sole purpose of planning against Islam in it. And about attacking Non-Muslims i do beleive sir you have never read the history of our world. What about the christian crusades?? War and humanity are constant companions and Muslims and Non-muslims cannot and will not live together in peace as is evident these days and the prophet knew that ergo the wars. Christianity also has similar lines of text in the bible Romans 13:1-4. Oh and i wonder why there are no muslims in the Vatican?</p>
<p>Oh and the questioning bit. That was Allah advising the believers to not ask about every single thing because he will answer and you will have no choice but to follow. The people of a previous prophet did that when they were told to sacrifice a cow and in the end they were told to sacrifice a specific type,color,age and built of cow because they kept asking questions about it. </p>
<p>Oh yes, Ask questions about Islam because you understand only by asking. Even a 3 year old knows that.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Kactuz</title>
		<link>http://deadpanthoughts.com/2009/04/ye-islam-nahi-hay/comment-page-1/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Kactuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong.

1.  Islam allows killing to spread Islam (Fight them, smite them....).  Remember, Allah says that Muslims are put on earth to kill and be killed (Quran 9:111). There is nothing that limits this to any historical time. About the word &quot;mischief&quot;...   What kind of  deity would use a word so vague and easy to misuse?  Ah, Allah would.
2. The wives of Mohammad were confined to limited spaces.  They were ordered to cover up.  This is well-known.  The Quran says that Mohammad is a great example, one to follow (33:21).  Thus, it is proper for Muslim women to be covered and confined. 
3.  Mohammad attacked non-Muslims dozens of times (read the hadith!).  He even attacked Muslims (9:107,110). He also ordered Muslims to fight until Islam prevails. Don&#039;t forget that he expelled all non-Muslims from Arabia.  

Obviously the &quot;enlightened scholar of Islam&quot; doesn&#039;t know much about Islam. 
This is cruel, but it is the Islam of the Quran and the sunnah.  This is why the Taliban will win.  This is why the people of Pakistan are doomed.

Oh yes, never think, never ask questions about Islam, because if you do you will lose faith (5:101-102).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong.</p>
<p>1.  Islam allows killing to spread Islam (Fight them, smite them&#8230;.).  Remember, Allah says that Muslims are put on earth to kill and be killed (Quran 9:111). There is nothing that limits this to any historical time. About the word &#8220;mischief&#8221;&#8230;   What kind of  deity would use a word so vague and easy to misuse?  Ah, Allah would.<br />
2. The wives of Mohammad were confined to limited spaces.  They were ordered to cover up.  This is well-known.  The Quran says that Mohammad is a great example, one to follow (33:21).  Thus, it is proper for Muslim women to be covered and confined.<br />
3.  Mohammad attacked non-Muslims dozens of times (read the hadith!).  He even attacked Muslims (9:107,110). He also ordered Muslims to fight until Islam prevails. Don&#8217;t forget that he expelled all non-Muslims from Arabia.  </p>
<p>Obviously the &#8220;enlightened scholar of Islam&#8221; doesn&#8217;t know much about Islam.<br />
This is cruel, but it is the Islam of the Quran and the sunnah.  This is why the Taliban will win.  This is why the people of Pakistan are doomed.</p>
<p>Oh yes, never think, never ask questions about Islam, because if you do you will lose faith (5:101-102).</p>
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		<title>By: Noumaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noumaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Shiekh says: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Islam allows taking the life of another human for two — and only — reasons: If the individual is guilty of killing another human or he is, worse still, guilty of creating mischief on earth, which means he has caused the life, wealth, or honour of others to be in peril because of his misdeeds. In the latter case, such criminals are allowed to be sometimes killed in a merciless manner, if the severity of the crime so demands. If an individual kills another human for any reasons other than these two, he will be held guilty of killing the entire mankind.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can&#039;t Taliban use this argument in their cases for beheading of spies? That these &quot;Spies&quot; caused U.S. Drones (Taliban would say  Kafirs here) to target &quot;mujahids&quot;. While targeting mujahids these drones also caused destruction of civilian properties and lives. So I think it is very easy for taliban to justify the killings. 

However, I have heard Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman talking on television that Islam does not allow groups of warriors, mujahids, even Ulema&#039;s to impose sharia on other muslims. To impose Sharia laws and implement them is the duty of the state not of individuals or groups. So it will remain UnIslamic and horrific murders until a state body, a court of law orders such a punishment and carries out its execution under its supervision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Shiekh says: </p>
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Islam allows taking the life of another human for two — and only — reasons: If the individual is guilty of killing another human or he is, worse still, guilty of creating mischief on earth, which means he has caused the life, wealth, or honour of others to be in peril because of his misdeeds. In the latter case, such criminals are allowed to be sometimes killed in a merciless manner, if the severity of the crime so demands. If an individual kills another human for any reasons other than these two, he will be held guilty of killing the entire mankind.
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<p>Can&#8217;t Taliban use this argument in their cases for beheading of spies? That these &#8220;Spies&#8221; caused U.S. Drones (Taliban would say  Kafirs here) to target &#8220;mujahids&#8221;. While targeting mujahids these drones also caused destruction of civilian properties and lives. So I think it is very easy for taliban to justify the killings. </p>
<p>However, I have heard Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman talking on television that Islam does not allow groups of warriors, mujahids, even Ulema&#8217;s to impose sharia on other muslims. To impose Sharia laws and implement them is the duty of the state not of individuals or groups. So it will remain UnIslamic and horrific murders until a state body, a court of law orders such a punishment and carries out its execution under its supervision.</p>
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		<title>By: Sana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I whole heartedly agree- Jihad is to fight,strive nad seek for knowledge Unfortunately we are tabooed to question andything. This ends up as a chaotic tussle between logic and religion. Most of us just give in and keep religion above our rational understanding. The concepts are there to be applied to our lives not to decorated scaredly or used at convenience. The QURAN is menat for alal of us not jus IMAM&#039;s , seeking for an IMAM&#039;s opinion for assistance is differet but completing relying read following is uncalled for. We were all given the same copy of QURAN if we choose to follown someone vainly we dont have anyone to blame but ourselves. A very very well written piece I must say !:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I whole heartedly agree- Jihad is to fight,strive nad seek for knowledge Unfortunately we are tabooed to question andything. This ends up as a chaotic tussle between logic and religion. Most of us just give in and keep religion above our rational understanding. The concepts are there to be applied to our lives not to decorated scaredly or used at convenience. The QURAN is menat for alal of us not jus IMAM&#8217;s , seeking for an IMAM&#8217;s opinion for assistance is differet but completing relying read following is uncalled for. We were all given the same copy of QURAN if we choose to follown someone vainly we dont have anyone to blame but ourselves. A very very well written piece I must say !:)</p>
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		<title>By: Terrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The so called moderate elites of Pakistan went to private schools, learned about evolution in science, read one too many books  which made them question the existence of God, experienced western cultures, civil society and life style through clothing, music, movies, cable, news, visiting or living or receiving education over there and are fortunate of being raised in a moderately liberal family.  Whereas someone from Swat never had that opportunity.  Hence the difference :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so called moderate elites of Pakistan went to private schools, learned about evolution in science, read one too many books  which made them question the existence of God, experienced western cultures, civil society and life style through clothing, music, movies, cable, news, visiting or living or receiving education over there and are fortunate of being raised in a moderately liberal family.  Whereas someone from Swat never had that opportunity.  Hence the difference <img src='http://deadpanthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tayyab Balagamwala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tayyab Balagamwala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faisal very informative article

My belief with regard to religious issues is (and this has nothing to do with article above):

Do not mold religion to suit your needs; instead mold yourself to meet the needs of religion

moderation is necessary in islam but there is a fine line between moderation and violating the rules of the religion in the name of enlightened moderation.. while we must strive against the talibanised irregularities in comparison to the essence of the religion, we must also strive against wrongly proclaiming something in the name of moderation which doesnt pertain to islamic doctrines...

just a small point on my part as i always believe  we must look at both sides of the coin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faisal very informative article</p>
<p>My belief with regard to religious issues is (and this has nothing to do with article above):</p>
<p>Do not mold religion to suit your needs; instead mold yourself to meet the needs of religion</p>
<p>moderation is necessary in islam but there is a fine line between moderation and violating the rules of the religion in the name of enlightened moderation.. while we must strive against the talibanised irregularities in comparison to the essence of the religion, we must also strive against wrongly proclaiming something in the name of moderation which doesnt pertain to islamic doctrines&#8230;</p>
<p>just a small point on my part as i always believe  we must look at both sides of the coin.</p>
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		<title>By: batty</title>
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		<dc:creator>batty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the army coming in was the best thing that could have happened.

And I fully agree with you - its true. We aren&#039;t encouraged to questions until we learn in great detail - and learning in great detail drowns your questions in fundamentalism as opposed to satiating learning with Islamic logic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the army coming in was the best thing that could have happened.</p>
<p>And I fully agree with you &#8211; its true. We aren&#8217;t encouraged to questions until we learn in great detail &#8211; and learning in great detail drowns your questions in fundamentalism as opposed to satiating learning with Islamic logic</p>
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		<title>By: Faisal.K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faisal.K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Dr Khalid disagrees on that very principle he says all the Sheik&#039;s and ulema are men just like you n me so they can make mistakes the key is to ask around and then follow the one YOU think is right.

The sheikh can be asked questions @ www.khalidzaheer.com

He can be wrong as well....this whole follow me cuz im an imam is b.s man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Dr Khalid disagrees on that very principle he says all the Sheik&#8217;s and ulema are men just like you n me so they can make mistakes the key is to ask around and then follow the one YOU think is right.</p>
<p>The sheikh can be asked questions @ <a href="http://www.khalidzaheer.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.khalidzaheer.com</a></p>
<p>He can be wrong as well&#8230;.this whole follow me cuz im an imam is b.s man</p>
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		<title>By: Abdullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your idea but some of the answers of the sheikh seem vague and uncomplete.

I once faced this situation in karachi where I had come across a hadith which said saying AMEEN after fatih is ok...when i asked an Imam in karachi abt this, his final answer was....we shouldnt get into discussion...I mean how are we supposed to learn basically he meant i&#039;m imam your a lay-man trust what i say....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your idea but some of the answers of the sheikh seem vague and uncomplete.</p>
<p>I once faced this situation in karachi where I had come across a hadith which said saying AMEEN after fatih is ok&#8230;when i asked an Imam in karachi abt this, his final answer was&#8230;.we shouldnt get into discussion&#8230;I mean how are we supposed to learn basically he meant i&#8217;m imam your a lay-man trust what i say&#8230;.</p>
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